Thursday, November 16, 2006

Kosher?

Full Tilt Poker Game #1258569064: DADI X: Fight The Power (7953554), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:23:33 ET - 2006/11/16
Seat 2: GCox25 (4,650)
Seat 3: DuggleBogey (4,850)
Seat 4: smokkee (2,930)
Seat 5: love_elf (6,970)
Seat 6: dbirider (885)
GCox25 posts the small blind of 80
DuggleBogey posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DuggleBogey [Ac Qh]
smokkee raises to 480
love_elf folds
dbirider folds
GCox25 raises to 1,600
DuggleBogey folds
slb159 (Observer): jeebus...elf's r00ling
smokkee folds
Uncalled bet of 1,120 returned to GCox25
GCox25 mucks
GCox25 wins the pot (1,120)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,120 | Rake 0
Seat 2: GCox25 (small blind) collected (1,120), mucked
Seat 3: DuggleBogey (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: smokkee folded before the Flop
Seat 5: love_elf didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: dbirider (button) didn't bet (folded)
DuggleBogey: i folded AQ there
smokkee: ya i folded KK

If you've ever played with GCox25, you'd probably say "good fold." This was a very easy fold to a re-raise from GCox.

I sat next to Gary for a lot of the tournament. I played in the same seat for the entire tournament, all the way through the final table. Gary got put next to me in round six. I've played a bit with Gary, and I feel like I have a pretty good idea of how he plays.

Only it wasn't Gary. It was Jordan from High On Poker. Gary was using TripJax's account. Jax was HighonPoker.

I am 100% sure that the three hosts of the DADI tournament weren't trying to intentionally mislead people so that Jordan would have some kind of advantage. I absolutely think they thought it would be a fun thing to do. There was not a lot of money at stake here, as the total prize pool was only $912.

But Jordan got an awful lot of respect as Gary that he simply would not have gotten if he were playing under his own name. He did from me, and I acted immediately after him for the bulk of the tournament.

Jordan took a big lead into the heads up match, and eventually won the tournament. When he got heads up he admitted he was posing as Gary.

I'm not sure how I feel about this, other than uncomfortable. I'm very interested in your opinions. Please comment with your thoughts.

13 comments:

jjok said...

man, that's disheartening, albeit unintentional I'm sure. Unintentional in that I don't think they were trying to take any advantage of the situation.....just joking around.

But that hand you show is a prime example to brew controversy. And I'm glad you posted it......

No, I don't think that's kosher.....but again, I don't think that was their intent at all........

SirFWALGMan said...

First off nice to see some Poker content. I actually agree with you. I do not think they meant anything by it but I think it was wrong and unfair to the other people in the game.

Anonymous said...

Wow, and I was about to go over and congratulate Gary on his win. In my opinion it is deliberately deceitful but not malicious. Though if you knew it was Jordan, you'd be more apt to call.


Also, way to go slow rolling aces vs me....talk about knowing you opponent.

Anonymous said...

I guess smokee gave a bit too much respect?

Anonymous said...

Even if it's done in the spirit of good clean fun, it's still improper, regardless of the amount of money at stake. I'm guessing that it won't happen again.

HighOnPoker said...

Duggles, you are correct in that it wasn't done with malice. If anyone knows me, you know that I have fun when I play. This idea came up and it sounded like a wacky thing to do. I never expected to win, and I didn't think that it would actually affect the game much. So, I officially apologize for a joke gone awry. I meant no harm and certainly no disrespect.

Anonymous said...

It all boils down to how serious you take the blogger tourneys. If you think of it as a home game, then it's funny. If you take it seriously, then it's cheating.

slb159 said...

I agree with Lifeasagrind's latter comment.

The whole idea surrounding blogger events is the competition. Yes, I've played a few in my short days and developed an idea on how certain people play. To see that people were playing under each other's names is unacceptable in my opinion.

Needless to say, if I was at the table and found that out, I would be furious.

Daddy said...

You people need to lighten' up a bit.

Go get some pussy.
Eat a steak. Rare even.
Drink an extra beer with dinner.

Fucking live.

$24+2 gay ass blogger tourney?

Good fucking Christ.
What are you all, a buncha Republicans?

HighOnPoker said...

One question though. If you read my blog, you'll see my full opinion on the subject along with an apology, so this is specifically to Duggles (assuming he doesn't delete my comment). Why did you choose this hand history? It's a preflop fold, for crying out loud! And you don't even know what I had. I could've had Aces here and G's image saved you money. I just thought this was a weird choice.

DuggleBogey said...

It's just one example of how people played differently because they thought it was Gary playing.

Whether you care to admit it or not, that came into play on EVERY SINGLE HAND, if the players thought they had a read on Gary's play.

Sure, on any one hand you can say it probably didn't make a huge difference. But you add up the cumulative effect on every hand of the tournament, it starts seeming like a bigger deal.

HighOnPoker said...

Go read my post FULLY Duggles, and then you can respond in an intelligent way. I'm making reparations.

WillWonka said...

I don't think anyone can argue that it changed the way the people at that table played which obviously gives J a huge advantage.

My first immediate thought.. ha funny.
After further review.. not good.

I'm sure we've all had things that looked good on paper but when put into practice, it just doesn't come together as planned (or did is since he won); but to me, I sure we can just chalk this one up to experience and move on as we KNOW that this was not done with malicious intent.